What is truly safe to eat? Is organic food really safe?

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By Pcunix


My wife and I make a genuine effort to eat healthy food. We limit fat, we eschew soft drinks, we filter our water, we grow our own heirloom tomatoes and other vegetables.  We buy organic when and where we can.  Most of what we eat is fruit, nuts and vegetables with a little bit of eggs and a very small amount of meat.

As an example, I just had my breakfast: an organic banana, a Dannon All Natural yogurt, a half handful of unsalted peanuts, almonds and walnuts and an 8 ounce glass of Welch's grape juice. 

That sounds great, and it probably is better than what many eat to start their day, but how healthy is it really?

Is it really even possible to eat healthily today?



Organic?


We buy organic when possible and we grow our own veggies without pesticides or fertilizer.

That's wonderful, isn't it? We aren't being exposed to harmful chemicals because we do these things.

Yeah, I wish.

According to this Organic Farming Compliance FAQ, farmland must not have had prohibited materials applied to it for three years before food grown on it can be labeled "organic". Is that long enough? I don't know, but let's assume that it is. Aren't we forgetting at least three or four things?

Air


Our air is polluted. Automobile exhaust, smoke stack emission, dust clouds from far away lands carrying pesticides - none of that affects the organic status. Plants take up carbon dioxide from the air and of course take up these pollutants with them. Insignificant? Perhaps so, but do we know that?

Of course we are breathing it too.

Rain


Rain brings air pollution right down to the organic farms roots. What's better: an organic farm 50 miles downwind of major pollution sources or a non-organic farm farther away? Do we know?

Water


Organic farms can't depend on rain, of course. What's in the water used for irrigation? Does a mention of sewage sludge in organic farming give you warm fuzzies?

But even so-called potable water may contain pesticides, prescription medicines and other things we really don't want to think about. Of course an organic farm can use municipal water - if it is "safe" for us, it has to be safe for plants, right?

Pesticides


Organic farms can use pesticides and some of things they are allowed to use are harmful to humans. They also may have greater environmental impact.


But we do know its better, right?


Yeah, I guess: a study of children eating organic fruits and vegetables showed that:

"Once you switch from conventional food to organic, the pesticides (malathion and chlorpyrifos) that we can measure in the urine disappears. The level returns immediately when you go back to the conventional diets"

That makes me feel safer. But we aren't measuring everything, of course. They didn't measure how much plastic residue we eat, how many hormones, how much trace medicine we ingest. They measured a few things that come out. We can't see what we don't measure and measuring what comes out doesn't count what sticks in our liver and in fat cells.


Our own farming


The veggies we grow ourselves may be even worse. We use no fertilizer and no pesticides, but we are in a community garden and our neighbors definitely use both. How much of that gets to us? I don't know.

There's something worse, though. The water supply we use for irrigation is not potable water!

It's well water and apparently there is something that prevents it being ok'ed for human use. They tell us it is perfectly safe for the plants, but honestly that does bother me some - why is it safe for plants and not for us?

Of course that same thing and worse may be true for the water used for most of the food we eat, organic or otherwise. We just don't know.




Better than nothing


Yes, of course, it is better to eat organic.  But unless we completely return to organic farming everywhere, unless we stop poisoning our air and our water and our oceans, we are still constantly exposed to danger.  We can reduce our individual exposure, but we cannot eliminate it.


Back to my breakfast


The organic banana costs 50% more than its non-organic cousins. Do I know how safe it really is? Was it, for example, sprayed with rotene - an "organic" pesticide that can cause Parkinson's disease? What chemicals are used to grow organic bananas vs. non-organic? Which have more toxicity, which dissipate more quickly, which are less easily absorbed by humans, which break down in cooking, which do not? I don't know the answers to these questions.

The Dannon Yogurt is "All Natural". Apparently that can mean very little. Apparently Dannon hasn't always been entirely conscientious about the milk it buys. Why aren't we buying Stoneyfield, which is organic?

Well, I can answer that: Stoneyfield doesn't make a coffee yogurt. They make it frozen, but not simple unfrozen. Why? I don't know, but coffee yugurt is what we like. Kind of funny, isn't it? We choose non-organic over organic just because of that. Couldn't we learn to like plain yogurt instead?

Oh, and of course the Dannon comes in a plastic cup. Does it have BPA or other things that can leach into yogurt? I don't know. Stonyfield makes a different sort of container, but is that safer? Again, I don't know.

That grape juice is not organic. Should we switch to an organic brand like Eden's Farms? Well, we tried it once. It was expensive and we didn't think it tasted as good. Oh, aren't we the fussy ones?

The nut mix? Planters Peanuts talks about "sustainablity" at their web site. Is that more important than organic? We buy the other nuts at BJ's - the packaging has that meaningless "All Natural" label. What am I really eating here? I don't know, yet again.


Degree of effort?


Plainly, we aren't doing everything we could with regard to our own eating. I may sneer at the contents of grocery carts I see when we do our weekly shopping, but we aren't being as careful as we could be. Sure, part of that is expense: the fully organic stores not only would double our food costs but are also much farther away - they'd add to our gasoline costs as well.

Is it any wonder so many people just ignore all this entirely? As a neighbor says, "Something has to kill you". I don't think that justifies burying your head in the sand and pretending none of this matters, but aren't I doing exactly that to some extent?

Sure, it's confusing, the science can be contradictory and there is so much politics and posturing involved that the truth is obscure at best. I honestly feel bewildered most of the time. We want to eat healthy food, but we apparently really don't want it badly enough.

And even if we did, even if cost was no object, we simply could not avoid exposure. It's impossible.


Your take


How do you feel about all this? Do you ignore it? Are you doing more than we are? Are you confused? Are you worried?  I'd really like to know.


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jdavis88 profile image

jdavis88 Level 1 Commenter 17 months ago

For the most part I don't worry about it. I to buy groceries that are organic or have the least amount of hormones etc that I can find, but I don't obsess about it. I live in the south, and buying fresh veggies or trading for them from a friend or neighbor is very common where I live, so I eat alot of fresh veggies.

Good Hub!

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Patti Ann 17 months ago

You have brought up a lot of good points. My husband and I also try to eat "healthy" - but you never really know about the products you purchase in the store.

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Pcunix Hub Author 17 months ago

Or what you grow yourself, really.

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Pcunix Hub Author 17 months ago

I didn't mention fish here. Over at Facebook, a friend left this link: http://www.scribd.com/doc/22021194/EPIC-Norfolk-Co

Given the horrible mess in our oceans, I really am loathe to eat seafood. We do eat Salmon once or twice a month, and we take fish oil pills which supposedly have mercury filtered out, but that is yet another very disturbing and confusing area.

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imgreencat Level 1 Commenter 17 months ago

Someday maybe when I retire, I hope to move to one of those so called 'banana republic' countries like Ecuador where they have little air traffic and 95% of everything that is grown is organic. Of course, I'd have to learn Spanish but it's a simpler life style. That's my solution...

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Austinstar Level 7 Commenter 17 months ago

Well, all we can do is try to eat healthy. We can't control the air and the water for sure. We're doomed. But the good news is that in spite of our pollution, we are living longer and healthier. I have no idea how long that will last.

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Pcunix Hub Author 17 months ago

Yes, we are living longer - or some of us are, anyway. Though at least some of that comes from extended care facilities where warm bodies are warehoused until they die - that's hardly living.

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ocbill 17 months ago

Now I know why you didn't include fish, the oceans are polluted too (cough, cough BP in Gulf and Exxon's 2 spills in Pacific). And we have to wonder what is really in those farm-grown salmon. On the bright side, 40 is the new 30, or is it 50 now. People are more active than years past. Well, some are. It depends on your state.

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Pcunix Hub Author 17 months ago

Yes, and there have been many other spills. Not to mention the masses of garbage, trash, the ever growing dead zones and the steady introduction of plastic into the ocean food chain.

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Jess_C 17 months ago

We've been thinking about trying to eat healthier, but when you look at the big picture as you've described it it seems like a wasted effort. I've decided that eating healthy just means eating less fast food/deep fried food and more veggies and fruits.

Now if I can just get that exercising regularly thing down..

Good hub, definitely puts things into perspective :)

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Austinstar Level 7 Commenter 17 months ago

Hello, Jess! When you get the exercise thing down, please let me know how you did it!

I don't know Pcunix, laying around in a nursing home having people wipe my butt for me sounds pretty cool after doing it for 80 years. Just relax and watch TV, and pass me a doughnut! I'll be the crotchety one!

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Pcunix Hub Author 17 months ago

I've already bought a cane. I don't need it for anything, but I want to practice thumping it on the floor while I growl at people.

Oh, and Jess: see my latest hub for some interesting news about exercise.

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2patricias Level 5 Commenter 17 months ago

Both of us Patricias try to stick to organic food. Tricia also grows vegetables; Pat actually managed a potato crop in 2010.

You have got a good point about pesticides. It is not simply pesticides from food crops. We have read that conventionally grown cotton has a lot of chemical input. As a result we try to buy organic cotton products, but this is not always easy. Here in the UK we can find t-shirts and some kids clothes in organic cotton - but towels in organic cotton are not to be found.

Pat eats a lot of fish (we live by the sea, and the local fishermen's co-op has nice low prices), but agrees that you have a point about the ocean being polluted.

Our attitude is that we do what we can. Worrying too much would not help our general health!

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GmaGoldie Level 7 Commenter 17 months ago

Pcunix,

When I visited China in 1997, a physician recommended three items for eating and drinking:

1.) Do not drink the water, ice, etc...

2.) Do not eat food that is not fully cooked or IF fresh, it must be pealed not "washed"

3.) if it moves do not eat it!

Great post - eating first class foods is hard when the marketing tempts us with all the wrong foods.

In regards to the sea, do take care with both sun tan lotions and real coral - it is our environment and we are stewards of this planet we call earth.

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molson5070 17 months ago

cool hub! I loved your point about the organic farm near a city vs the regular farm in the countryside. Kinda makes you think about what's ACTUALLY healthy

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Pcunix Hub Author 17 months ago

That's the thing, isn't it? We just don't know. We don't know what the fish swam through or are, we don't know what's in the water used to grow the crops, we just don't KNOW.

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Jane Bovary Level 1 Commenter 17 months ago

Jeeze, I make reasonable attempts to eat good food but don't lie awake at night wondering if I should buy Stoneyfield or Dannon (actually we don't have those brands anyway..lol).

I'm sure I should be more conscious of these things but on the other hand do I really want to get over-anxious trying to prolong my life just so I can have five more years in the geriatric home?

I do get the point though...about the not knowing.

One thing I do always is to make sure I buy freerange eggs(if they can be trusted). The other day I was in the supermarket and spotted a carton of cage eggs with the brand name "Happy Hens". Outrageous....how can a cage chicken be a "happy hen"? Have you seen them...?

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Pcunix Hub Author 17 months ago

I don't lie awake, but I do obsess a bit :)

"Happy Hens".

"free range" isn't much better - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_range

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midnightbliss Level 4 Commenter 17 months ago

nice hum it made me think of what we eat. good thing my dad grows different kinds of local veggies in our backyard.

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Pcunix Hub Author 17 months ago

Yes, though you don't know what's in the soil (unless your family has owned it for centuries) and you don't know what's in the water and you don't know what's in the rain..

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pitzele 17 months ago

Am I doing more than you? By that do you mean worrying, working, and trying to eat what is "healthful" in this polluted world? Honestly, I have grown my own veggies, shopped organic, and the majority of my family's diet comes from plant sources. Buckwheat, oats, brown rice, veggies, fruits, etc. But to be perfectly honest, it is all too overwhelming. I do not under any circumstances buy canned food or anything stored in metal. Glass, yes. Plastic, I try not to. There is a plethora of information and most of it - the stuff that does NOT come from companies - usually indicates a "fatal error" in the current-day food chain. So I do what I suspect you do - the best I can.

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Pcunix Hub Author 17 months ago

Ayup. That's about all we really can do.

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