Making money with a clear conscience

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By Pcunix


Yesterday I wrote about gaming the system with fake backlinks. There were at least two comments that seemed to express some confusion, so (against my better judgment) I will expand upon that today.

I suppose it's understandable that people are confused. There is tremendous amount of horribly bad advice to be found at HubPages and on the Internet in general.

Please note that when I say "at HubPages", I mean in forum posts and hubs, not in official documentation in the HubPages learning center. What HubPages itself has to say about these subjects is good advice, not bad.

Google is also a good place to get advice. At the end of this article I will include some links to what you should be reading, but before we get to that, I'd like to set a tone.

Honesty

It's a simple word, isn't it? I don't need to define it for you; any normal adult knows what is honest and what is not. We don't need to get into a long discussion of white lies and moral relativism here, do we?

We all lie at times. We lie to protect others, we lie to protect ourselves. I'm no different than anyone else in that regard. We all have lines we will not cross and places where our honesty can be sorely tested. This is not a place where I want to get into all of that, but I do want to explore one particular tug of war that occurs in this context. That's the conflict of honesty and money.

I don't want to get into moral extremes here. We can acknowledge that someone who steals bread to feed his starving family because he has no other choice can be forgiven.

The snapshot above is of my Google Adsense earnings over the past eight years. I put it there to ask a question.

Is that enough money that obtaining it would justify lying in your mind?

That's a simple enough question, isn't it? I didn't complicate it with mentioning a specific person you'd be lying to. I didn't say what you'd be lying about. I just want to know if you would lie to obtain $75,000.00.


Would you lie to get $75,000.00?

  • No
  • Yes
  • Maybe
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I don't have any hesitation on that. My answer is a flat "no" and always will be.

For some people, the answer will be "Maybe". I don't think we'll get any flat "Yes" votes (I sure hope not), but let's explore some of the reasons that you might hedge your answer to that question.

Would you need to know what your chances of getting caught are?

I'd lie to get $75,000 if

  • There was no chance of getting caught
  • There was only a small chance of getting caught
  • Nope, still wouldn't lie based on that
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Does it matter what the consequences are from getting caught? Some people wouldn't mind being embarrassed by getting caught in a lie; for others that might matter a lot.

I wouldn't lie for $75,000 if the consequences were

  • Embarrassment with strangers
  • Embarrassment with friends
  • Embarrassment with family
  • Short jail time
  • Long jail time
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Obviously the $75,000 had to come from somewhere. If you are lying to get it, plainly you are cheating someone else out of it.

That can get complicated, though. Let's say that there is an abandoned bank account that will be distributed to the general State funds if no one claims it, but with just a little forgery, you can get it. There is no legitimate owner, so it's very close to "stealing from nobody".

Or your lie might take that $75,000 from someone who has $75 billion. Does that change things for you?

I'd lie for $75,000 if

  • The "theft" was spread over a large number of people like the bank account example
  • The money came from a company or person that has far more than they need
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But wait - there's more to that $75 billion case, isn't there?

Does it matter to you if the source of the $75,000 might be suspect itself? In other words, if the person or entity you are lying to obtained their money by dishonest means, does that affect your feelings?

I'd lie for $75,000 if

  • I was taking the money from somebody who also got it through dishonesty
  • I was taking the money from somebody who is evil in other ways
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Lying for Adsense

As I mentioned, the specific $75,000 in that photo came from Google Adsense. You'll have to take my word on this, but I obtained it without dishonesty. Specifically, I mean that I never created fake links intended to make Google think that my site had more value than another.

A false link is a lie. You can justify it in all the ways mentioned above, but it is a lie.

You may think that it's OK to lie to Google because they are an evil monster with billions of ill gotten dollars in their coffers. You may think that lies are justified because other people lie - obviously other people create false links every day.

You may think that you aren't taking anything that belongs to anyone else. Of course you are - if you gain SERP (Search Engine Results Position) by lying to Google and Bing, you are taking money from the person who held the top spot before you took it.

Did that person get there by lying? Does that change your feelings? Is it OK to push them out because they are frantically engaging in gray or black hat SEO themselves?

What if they are not? What if, for example, you are pushing one of my high ranking pages downward?

If i'm usurping the position of an honest person, I feel

  • No guilt whatsoever
  • Guilty, but they should be playing the game themselves
  • Just plain guilty but I want the money
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Does any of this bother you?

As I have had these discussions in the forums here and at other sites, I know that some people simply don't care about any of the moral issues. They simply refuse to see any of it as anything but a game.

Some will even blame Google, saying that it is their fault for putting value on backlinks. Others will simply admit that they will do what they have to do to make money and that they consider anyone who does not to be a fool.

I hope I have made it very clear how I feel about it. I feel that fake linking has polluted the Internet with junk and has stolen money out of my pocket. I don't like people who scam SERP.

Google has some very simple advice that I have always followed. You'll find it in the link below, and I have quoted them many times in many places.

(From Google's "Link Schemes" page)

The best way to get other sites to create relevant links to yours is to create unique, relevant content that can quickly gain popularity in the Internet community. The more useful content you have, the greater the chances someone else will find that content valuable to their readers and link to it. Before making any single decision, you should ask yourself the question: Is this going to be beneficial for my page's visitors?

Pretty simple, isn't it? Will whatever you are about to do be beneficial to your visitors? Is your action intended to benefit them or is it intended to benefit you?

Answer that question honestly and you will always do the right thing.

Purity tests

If you'd like to explore the limits of your own honesty, "purity tests" are an interesting exercise. You can find them by Googling for that phrase, but here is someone who started collecting online purity tests a long time ago.


Comments

Pcunix profile image

Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

I notice that one person has said that they would lie for $75,000 even if getting caught involved short jail time. They didn't answer the final poll about guilt in SERP promotion, though. Too bad - I'm very interested in that.

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Max Dalton Level 4 Commenter 3 months ago

Pcunix,

Your hubs yesterday and today should be required reading for a lot of people. I'm not a backlinking bandit and I don't use SEO tricks. I just write my stuff, slap my tags on it after a little keyword research and move along.

Thanks.

Max.

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Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

I would agree, Max. I think HubPages does a decent job in The Learning Center, but they don't address the dishonesty aspect at all and I think they should.

Not that people read TLC anyway, unfortunately :)

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Mtbailz Level 4 Commenter 3 months ago

Love the article. You read around hubpages and find that many of the people really are doing dishonest things. And, the funny part about it is, they would never admit it. See you around Pcunix.

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Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

Actually, some will. They'll tell you that they just don't care.

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imgreencat Level 1 Commenter 3 months ago

My opinion is, they can all lie if they want to. I won't do any of it. Google can operate "Panda" or whatever it all doesn't matter to me. I believe if you just write your best stuff it will someday work out. People who want to spend their time makeing false links or having their friends click on ads for them can do it if they've got nothing better to do. I prefer to spend my time trying to actually be a better writer than I was yesterday.

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Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

Good for you! And you do it well, by the way!

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imgreencat Level 1 Commenter 3 months ago

High praise indeed coming from one of the masters around this joint.

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Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

Hardly :) But thanks for the nice thought!

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Sophia Angelique Level 6 Commenter 3 months ago

I agree. :)

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Tams R Level 5 Commenter 3 months ago

Pcunix, I think most of the problem lies in the fact most people read the thousands of pages that tell them to write the content and spread their links around the web in a variety of fashions.

Obviously these people are out to make money online, as am I and millions of others. I don't think everyone sees it quite the way you do and therein lies the problem.

It seems to me that you are correct, yet there seems to be little way to succeed without taking on some of the methods you dislike. All the conflicting methods makes it seem as if you don't do these things you'll never succeed at becoming an online entrepreneur, but if you do - you're wrong.

I admire you for sticking to your guns.

This is all truly enough to make me feel like I don't have what it takes. I know forgive me, I'm in a cruddy mood about what's right or wrong. I feel like I've been sent to the principal's office for something I didn't even know was wrong in the first place because 10 successful teachers told me to do it.

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Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

Why are you deciding right and wrong based on what people tell you?

This is simple: are you lying or are you not? You shouldn't need someone else to tell you that, should you?

Tams R profile image

Tams R Level 5 Commenter 3 months ago

It's the not knowing. I'm not talking about going around dropping my links all over town without making them relevant to the article I read.

As a matter of fact, I may have dropped my link in 10 - 15 places in 3 months other than twitter and facebook.

I am struggling most with the idea that if it's wrong then why hasn't Google penalized people for doing it? Yes I know they penalize for bad links and irrelevant links but to link to relative articles I haven't seen that.

In your description, it is lying to do it. In my opinion, if you're not being ridiculous about how you do it, then No I'm not lying. Lying to me is knowing something is wrong and intending to deceive. I've done none of that and I don't intend to. When I put my link somewhere it is because I believe the people there will benefit from what I've written on that link.

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Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

Then you are not doing anything wrong. It really is that simple.

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Leah Helensdottr Level 3 Commenter 2 months ago

Bravo for standing up for honesty, Tony! I think today's widespread acceptance and rationalization of dishonesty is a sign of our culture's deterioration. It used to be a deadly insult to call someone dishonest, but too often now such an accusation is met with a shrug.

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Pcunix Hub Author 2 months ago

Unfortunately, most do NOT see any dishonesty in this.

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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 months ago

I saw your epic answer on Reddit in the Q and A.

I liked that a lot! I've done that whole deal, and it's just not worth it.

I'm interested in what your links are so I've already opened those in tabs.

You're definitely right about all the bad advice on individual pages here. I sure didn't come up with reddit or other bad places to backlink on my own!!!

I doubt the social bookmarking thing gets much value in search engines, as it's obvious that the content creator is doing that, but those are the kinds of sites I'm spitting backlinks at, as it's practically a given what they are for.

What's actually rewarding is seeing incoming links from places you've never heard of, as it's obvious that somebody else did that for you, and because they liked something!!

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Pcunix Hub Author 2 months ago

I do announce all but my really geeky stuff on FB, G+ and Twitter. Google knows that those are my accounts because I have told them that in my G+ profile, so I'm not trying to "fool" them.

As to their value, it's for my friends and followers. If they are interested in the link, they can read it or they can ignore it. I do it for their convenience.

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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 months ago

I think I need to do some more looking at my G+ profile and see what all needs integration there.

I think I did link my profile here and from Info barrel on G+.

Thanks for mentioning that...I need to do a lot more looking at the settings of that thing.

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Pcunix Hub Author 2 months ago

It's optional, of course. The idea is that telling Google all this increases your "cred" as an author - they can see how prolific you are.

From the SEO spammers point of view, that's a horrible idea as it also tells Google that your links between those sites are less valuable than they would be if made by a stranger.

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phdast7 Level 8 Commenter 2 months ago

Well argued and to the point. Thank you.

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