I get so weary of the SEO games

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By Pcunix


I promised myself that I would not write another thing about SEO (Search Engine Optimization). Yet here I am, once again doing something that is absolutely pointless. It makes no sense, I know that. Really, I do.

First, writing about anything even vaguely SEO related is unlikely to attract many readers. No, not because of lack of interest, but rather because of too much interest: there is too much written every single day, so anything I do will fall into a large ocean of other articles, 99.99% of which will promise to teach you the path to wealth through Internet marketing. There's just too much competition out there.

Second, I'm an anti-SEO person. I detest it - well, most of it. I'm all in favor of the type of SEO that Google recommends. I'm not enamored of what everybody and their brother recommends, which generally can be summed up in one short sentence: lie through your teeth.

Ranting about SEO is even worse than writing about SEO. Your article will fall into the same great ocean as all the rah-rah SEO articles and if by chance it should be noticed, all the people who hope to make a living as an Internet scammer will hate everything you have to say.

Frustrated

This article is, therefore, another utterly useless and completely pointless rant.

So why am I ranting again even when I know there is no point in doing so and after promising myself that I would not?

It's because I'm frustrated by willful ignorance.

Reddit

My frustration stems from an article I read that was written by someone who had been banned by Reddit.

If you don't know what Reddit is, it's a social bookmarking site. It's similar in concept to Stumbleupon: users add links to pages they think are interesting, other users vote and leave comments and so it goes.

Reddit is largely junk. I truly can't imagine any intelligent person spending any time there. But never mind that. After all, the Internet stopped being about intelligent people sometime in the mid 1990's, so that boat sailed long ago. Reddit appeals to the clueless masses, but for those desiring Internet traffic, a clueless visitor is as good as any other, so who cares? Bring on the Yahoos!

Anyway, the article I read told the tale of being banned by Reddit for being a spammer. What's a spammer in Reddit's eyes? They actually have a good FAQ entry on the subject of spamming. It begins with this:

"It's not strictly forbidden to submit a link to a site that you own or otherwise benefit from in some way, but you should sort of consider yourself on thin ice. So please pay careful attention to the rest of these bullet points."

Obviously the person who was banned never read that. In fact, he admitted that he had not.

Apparently, that's a common failing at Reddit. The site is plagued with users who don't read the rules and join just to plaster their spammy links in hopes of gain. To their credit, Reddit has a novel way of dealing with that crap. Reddit doesn't ban them, censure them or do anything so overt. Instead, the spammers links are just silently made invisible to others.

That's a brilliant solution, I think. It keeps the really dumb ones on the hook, blissfully submitting spam that will never be seen by anyone. The spammer is rendered impotent and unless they check their efforts while logged out, they'll never know.

The spammer in question did notice, however. His solution was to create another account and continue his spamming, being more careful this time to mix in other links with his own and engage in community activity to look more like an honest user.

The NATURAL way

As it happened, earlier that day I had come across another SEO related article. This one had a title that was something along the lines of "Blast your way to unimaginable traffic with natural backlinking!". That wasn't the actual title, but it could have been.

The thrust of that article was contained in one paragraph. I won't quote it verbatim, but basically it boiled down to this:

"Keep your backlinking efforts looking as natural as possible, so that Google won't know that it's YOU trying to get more traffic to your site."

That's the mistake the guy who was banned from Reddit made, obviously. His link spamming didn't look "natural", moderators caught on, so they made him invisible. Unfortunately for the rest of us, he noticed and has now created a new account (perhaps even multiple accounts) and is now spamming more carefully.

You don't know when you are lying?

If you'll remember, the banned guy admitted that he hadn't read Reddit's rules. From his point of view, that's all that went wrong here. He was "wrong", but only because he didn't read Reddit's rules. Other than that, he sees nothing wrong with adding his own links. His new account is still being used for that purpose.

I know that many of the people reading this will agree with him. They see no moral issue here at all. I have to ask the obvious question: is this not a lie?

Playing Google for a chump

If you are trying to convince Google that your page is valuable because other people link to it but YOU are the one doing the linking, you are telling a lie.

You can justify this, of course. "Everybody does it" is a favorite excuse. That's not true, though. Everybody doesn't do it. I don't do it and millions of other honest people don't do it either.

"I have a family to feed" is another one I have heard more than once. If this is supposed to be an equivalent to "A starving man can steal bread for his family", I don't buy it. You aren't starving, you are just lying to help your success.

You can twist and turn and squirm all you want: you are lying. You are lying to Google and you are lying to the world. You are lying to Reddit users when you tell them that your own content has value that they should note.

I'm sorry. You may not like this, but it's simple truth. Anonymous backlinking is lying and there is no polite way to say it any differently.

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Pot, Kettle, Black!

I was almost tempted to leave this section off to see if someone would jump on it.

I post my content to Facebook, Twitter and Google Plus. I post other things at those places also, but a lot of it is just my own links. Isn't that lying also?

No, it isn't. You see, Google knows those are my accounts because I've told them that in multiple places. I'm not trying to fool Google or anyone else - I'm telling them about my other identities on the Internet. Most of those use the same "pcunix" moniker as I use here, by the way, so my ownership and interest in the links is obvious to anyone who cares to look.

In the interests of full disclosure, I also have some other accounts that I do not list. I don't list them because I only created the account(s) to learn what the sites were about so that I could advise others; I haven't used them to post links except in some very rare cases when I was demonstrating them to someone else and in most cases I have remembered to delete those. In almost every case, by the way, I use the name "pcunix". I am not trying to deceive anyone.

At one time, I thought Stumbleupon was a useful site. I no longer think so, but my links are still there. Note that my name there is "pcunix" - no intent to hide anything.

I'm not a spammer, period. I don't lie to Google and I don't lie to other people.

Where's the harm?

Aside from the fact that it is lying, you mean?

How about that it affects the reliability of search results and clogs the Internet with mountains of garbage?

What about that other sites have been known to ban legitimate links to sites like HubPages that have a lot of users abusing the system with spammy links to their own crap? So YOUR spammy crap causes someone else to be unable to point out a legitimate post by someone else..

Is that harm enough?

Does this make you angry?

If it does, doesn't that say that in your heart you realize that you are a liar? Why else would you be angry? If you know you are not lying to people - for example you are legitimately using Reddit, Stumbleupon or whatever to post truly useful content - you hate the liars as much as I do.

If it doesn't make you angry, you either aren't doing any of this or you are and think I'm just a fool.

Fine, I'm a fool. I'd rather be a fool than a liar.

Are you a fool too?

  • I guess I must be because I don't do fake linking either
  • No, because I backlink and I see nothing wrong with it
  • No, I backlink and I don't care what you think
  • You wouldn't dare call me a liar to my face!
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Comments

Sophia Angelique profile image

Sophia Angelique Level 6 Commenter 3 months ago

Well, you know I don't advocate back linking. I think it's time consuming - and I hate having to put up fake identities and pretend something is written for purposes other than backlinking. As it is, quite a number of my articles get found by Google and other search engines without any backlinking whatsoever. And I think what you say about it means that the search engines get a lot of junk, etc., is true. I agree!

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Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

But so many here don't care. Notice that they are not commenting - because they know they are guilty.

Sherry Hewins profile image

Sherry Hewins Level 6 Commenter 3 months ago

I use facebook, twitter, stumbleupon and digg. I'm me wherever I go, I never pretend to be anybody else. I'm a little new to all of this. I have read a lot of stuff about SEO and back linking. But have not implemented anything other than what I mentioned. Pcunix it seems like you are doing pretty well and don't have to worry about attracting traffic too much. Did you get to that point without doing any of this back linking others advocate?

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Sophia Angelique Level 6 Commenter 3 months ago

Sherry, some of my articles have got up to 10,000 hits per day and I have never backlinked. :) I still don't.

Tams R profile image

Tams R Level 5 Commenter 3 months ago

No SEO and No back-linking? I'm lost and open to instruction and criticism. (just don't eat me)

I was a Reddit idiot. I followed the advice of others and got banned. I had only skimmed the rules but didn't read them completely. I became active in the forum - commenting and voting. I got a couple of warnings stating I was "doing too much try again in _ seconds" while commenting. Next thing I know, I was banned. I submitted 2 links in about 30 hours and when attempting to comment I noticed my comment wasn't coming up.

After searching for the reason, I found a person who told me I had no choice but to rejoin. I rejoined - "lying", read the rules and realized immediately I dislike the site.(Not because they banned me.) Prior to rejoining I contacted the moderator and asked to start over. No response.

Apparently I need a lesson on spam because I never intended to deceive anyone or fill the search engines with crap. I've had my site for almost 3 months and put my link on a maximum of 15 sites. If that is spam, I'm guilty.

Geesh, I have so much to say and I don't want to take up your comment section.

The point is - there is simply too much "do this; do that" drivel to know what is right.

Now, I'll be off to read about spam. Again!

Pcunix profile image

Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

Unfortunately, there is a tremendous amount of bad advice to be had. The best thing I can tell you is to stick with what Google tells you and use common sense: if you are trying to manipulate SERP, you are on the wrong track always.

That's the linking rule Google recommends: if you are not creating a link for the benefit of READERS, you shouldn't be doing it.

Pcunix profile image

Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

@sherry: I wouldn't say I "do well" here, but I have excellent traffic elsewhere and yes, it came without any backlinking or falsification, lying, cheating or doing anything more than just plain writing.

Tams R profile image

Tams R Level 5 Commenter 3 months ago

At the risk of sounding completely stupid - Are you saying you would not go to another website that speaks about what you write, read their content, leave a GOOD comment and if they allow, leave your URL leading back to content you've written that relates?

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Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

Depends. If my content really answered a question they were asking, yes. Even then it can be a tough call.

Sophia Angelique profile image

Sophia Angelique Level 6 Commenter 3 months ago

Tams R. Yes. The bottom line is this. If what you've written has merit, Google will find it. If it doesn't, then Google won't.

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Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

That is true. Though cheaters can push you down a bit, too.

ElizaDoole profile image

ElizaDoole Level 5 Commenter 3 months ago

Your "voice" rings so true. I especially like the phrase "playing google for a chump". I was drawn by the title, and I believe that SEO is something that you should indulge in a little, but not to the detriment of others. I wrote a hub which I will link here: http://elizadoole.hubpages.com/_o934ac9peghr/hub/S

I hope you don't mind me posting it. I felt violated by some scraper hits guy putting a link to me on his stupid SEO sales page. Outrageous.

I am sticking with like minded folk on hubpages. as friends, as followers, as everything. If I gain any more followers who randomly collect friends, I'm going to dump them!

Perhaps we will end up gaining great SERPs if we all stick to our principles. There is no algorithm for that. Oh hang on, there is, it's called Google Webmaster Guidelines.

Thanks for this hub - inspirational stuff pcunix.

Pcunix profile image

Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

I don't quite understand how Edward Beck fits in (I can't find any "SEO Optimisation by Edward Beck" page) but sure, the link is fine.

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Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

Here's a great example of dishonest crap : http://pattyinglishms.hubpages.com/hub/The-Sunforg

Implied link exchange and link fakery all together. But every one of the people involved think they are doing nothing wrong.

ElizaDoole profile image

ElizaDoole Level 5 Commenter 3 months ago

FYI Edward Beck appears when I type "Eliza Doole" into google. Since I wrote the article, he does not appear any longer. Hee hee.

ElizaDoole profile image

ElizaDoole Level 5 Commenter 3 months ago

I don't know if it worked, but it felt like the rage in me caused the internet to change shape.

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Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

:)

I'm sure it did!

Angie Jardine profile image

Angie Jardine Level 7 Commenter 3 months ago

Pcunix ... thank you a million times!

I am hopeless at (read 'bored by') SEO, back links and social networking so you cannot imagine how immensely heartened I felt by this hub. I don't have an avatar, I always use my name on anything I write and I always feel thrilled to my boots when anyone reads anything I have written.

Sure, I would like more traffic but I think I will just write and hopefully Google will learn to trust me and it will build naturally. I did join Reddit and Digg but never used them as there just seemed to be too many rules to follow ... too many rules, too little time to write.

So, you see how worthwhile your 'rant' was ...

Pcunix profile image

Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

@angie - I suspect that mant will not agree with you :)

ElizaDoole profile image

ElizaDoole Level 5 Commenter 3 months ago

Not sure who "mant" is PC, but I agree with Angie! *smiles*

Pcunix profile image

Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

Hmm. That nasty "y" key ducked and made me screw up yet again.

Michael J Rapp profile image

Michael J Rapp Level 4 Commenter 3 months ago

I found this hub very helpful. I've been learning the online writing thing and of course the first advice everyone gives you is to post your links all over the place on social networking sites. I've made some mistakes over the last couple of months, and I'm probably still making some. I'm gradually finding out that's a waste of my time, and your hub validates a lot of what I've been thinking. Thank you!

Pcunix profile image

Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

I'm not sure it's a waste of time. I'm only commenting on the morality of some of it.

Jason Marovich profile image

Jason Marovich Level 4 Commenter 3 months ago

It's been quite awhile now since I shared something of my own. It felt ridiculously phony, when I was sharing stuff that wasn't appropriate, requested, or needed. I should go and build a hugely successful Twitter account so that I can spam them with my own stuff? Nah, not me. Good article, Pcunix.

Pcunix profile image

Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

If it felt phony, then you shouldn't do it. Nobody reads twitter anymore anyway :)

Sherry Hewins profile image

Sherry Hewins Level 6 Commenter 3 months ago

I still tweet everything I write, not sure it helps, but I don't think it hurts. It seems like most people are there for their own purposes. Same thing with Digg, I always look at a few things when I'm there and digg what I like, even if the people who submitted them are not following or digging anything else. Random following and digging don't do you any good. Facebook is my best place for sharing, I know all my facebook friends personally, if they want to look at my stuff they can, if they get sick of me they can just hide me. That's what I do to them if they post too much crap.

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Pcunix Hub Author 3 months ago

And Facebook hides things by itself, too. I have a few people on Facebook that want me to post my links; I assume the rest can ignore them as you say. It's the same with Twitter - hundreds of followers I don't care about, a few that I do.

Leah Helensdottr profile image

Leah Helensdottr Level 3 Commenter 2 months ago

Thanks for this hub, Tony. I'm new to all this and the whole SEO thing is wearisome. I'm just going to submit my site to Google and Yahoo and then let it ride. If I get traffic, great. If not, I guess I need to find another way, but it won't include back-linking or other questionable activities.

Pcunix profile image

Pcunix Hub Author 2 months ago

You don't need to submit anything here at HP. There is no reason to unless you are submitting a breaking news story. Google picks up hubs within a few hours by itself.

Wesman Todd Shaw profile image

Wesman Todd Shaw 2 months ago

Heck there are all kinds of sites that WANT you to join just to backlink.

Best Reviewer is one of those, and I get daily traffic from there. I really ought to log in and add about two dozen pages I've created in the time since I last visited.

Article Blast is another that wants folks to join and use for that....it's pretty nice too, it's that "dofollow" thing, and all you have to do is write a bit of a comprehensive synopsis about something, add a picture and your link - wammo, everyone's happy.

Oh heck I'm definitely the same fella on nearly every site. Redgage....somehow I must have created a wts account and forgot what email address it was associated with or something....as I wound up not being wts on that site, but it's a picture of the same grinning mug there, no subversion, and those folks are perfectly happy for folks to create nothing but links to their hubpages, etc.

...not that I enjoy doing any of that, but there's no reason to piss people off with backlinks while other folks are just sitting around waiting for you to join their site and use it for backlinking!

Pcunix profile image

Pcunix Hub Author 2 months ago

But that stuff is useless if Google knows it is you (not from a picture, but from telling them in your Google profile) and if they don't, it's lying.

Wesman Todd Shaw profile image

Wesman Todd Shaw 2 months ago

Oh now I'm getting confused. I'm "Wesman Todd Shaw" everywhere except on Redgage...so you really think I need to tell Google that I'm the same character?

I mean...I'm the only Wesman Todd Shaw in existence! Seriously! I've checked!

Pcunix profile image

Pcunix Hub Author 2 months ago

What I said at "Making money with a clear conscience":

It's optional, of course. The idea is that telling Google all this increases your "cred" as an author - they can see how prolific you are.

From the SEO spammers point of view, that's a horrible idea as it also tells Google that your links between those sites are less valuable than they would be if made by a stranger.

Wesman Todd Shaw profile image

Wesman Todd Shaw 2 months ago

I thought they always knew that stuff anyway though due to IP addresses?

Oh well....I'm more into content creation or reading than I am into throwing links everywhere.

Pcunix profile image

Pcunix Hub Author 2 months ago

No, they do not. They might know that you visited Reddit if Adsense ads are running or you went there as a result of a Google search, but they don't and cannot know that you created content there or anywhere else unless you tell them. That's what "authorship" tagging and profile linking is all about.

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Wesman Todd Shaw 2 months ago

I've been seeing stuff here in my "stream" about "claiming authorship."

Guess I need to investigate that?

I looked at my G+ profile and made sure that it shows my two main writing profiles, here and Info Barrel, but I suspect that isn't the same thing as claiming authorship of those things on those two sites?

Sorry for not knowing things.

Pcunix profile image

Pcunix Hub Author 2 months ago

Glenn Stok has a good hub here about authorship claiming on HubPages. Google itself has help pages, too.

phdast7 profile image

phdast7 Level 8 Commenter 2 months ago

Good Hub. Good rant. Lying is lying is lying. No way around it.

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Pcunix Hub Author 2 months ago

Well, not everyone agrees, obviously :)

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