I am out of my depth with SEO

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By Pcunix

The title comes from a recent post in a forum here. I started to write a reply, but it got so long, I turned it into a hub instead.

What I finally did write back at the forum was just this:

I wouldn't worry too much. Most of it [SEO] is esoteric and of limited effectiveness. Your best action is just to keep writing the best content you can.

If you DO want to learn a bit, I'd start with Google themselves and i would also suggest Peter Hoggans excellent series which starts at "A Free SEO Training Course For Hubbers"


I'll expand on that here.

You probably don't need to fret about it

A lot of SEO advice is outdated, wrong or of very limited effectiveness. Some of it could cause negative reaction from Google et al. This is definitely an area where the information available on the Internet can be very bad.

Many people come to the Internet with the idea that if they simply write great content, that's all they need. Those instincts are not entirely wrong: cream WILL rise and it will rise all by itself.

If you are writing incredibly good content, you don't need to worry about SEO at all because there will be links all over the Internet telling people how good your content is and where to find it. You won't need any SEO because the rest of the world will do it for you. Cream rises.

We are out of cream, sorry

Most of the Internet isn't cream. Most of it is junk, and unfortunately far too much SEO advice concerns itself with fooling search engines into misidentifying junk as cream. Some of that advice may even work at times, but you need to realize that Google has good reason to learn how not to be fooled. I wrote more about that at my backjunk and cream post.


I like milk

I'm going to assume you aren't interested in writing junk. I'm also going to assume that most of what you write is ordinary milk. That is, it's good for the reader, pleasant to consume, but it is competing with a lot of other content of equal or similar value. That's the world I live in. This post itself is probably milk.

Why do I say probably? Because I don't really know. I have written cream - that is, articles that have risen to the top results of the search engines and have stayed there year after year. I have a handful of articles that have done that all by themselves. They got no spin, I didn't churn them with backlinks, pack them with carefully researched keywords or optimize them in any way. I just wrote them and they rose to power and I have no real idea why those rose and others, which I think are just as good, did not.

I don't know why these articles beat out similar articles at other websites, sometimes tromping articles that had tremendous SEO effort behind them. Something caused the spark, but I can't tell you what it was.


One of my Ten Thousand monkeys
One of my Ten Thousand monkeys


Ten Thousand Monkeys

Because I cannot tell, and because I have honestly found SEO to be of limited value (you might want to read my piece on the value of SEO firms after this), I have used the ten thousand monkey approach to Internet success.

I write a lot and have been doing so since 1991. I have thousands upon thousands of website and forum posts. Throw out enough words and you will get a lot of Google love from just the raw volume itself.

Throw out enough words and something you wrote will match the long tail search somebody just typed into Google. Even if the results are only worth pennies, thousands of pennies do add up and when mixed with the dollars from the unexpected cream, it all works out well.

So, just concentrate on writing the best content you can and as much if that as you can. Even if you did nothing else at all, great content can succeed. Obviously it can do better if it has assistance, but the perception of SEO value and the reality are quite a bit apart. The very best SEO isn't going to change your life over night or over any period of time and the worst of it can damage you.



Do you like milk?

Most of what you write will be milk. You can put chocolate in milk, you can keep it at the right temperature and you can encourage others to drink it, but it is just milk. Good SEO can be helpful, but it would be unusual for it to turn milk into cream.

If you do want to learn SEO, start with Google. They publish a lot of accurate and very helpful information in their Adsense pages. That series by Peter Hoggan that I mentioned above is also very good.

When you understand the basics, you can move on to reading the big forums like Webmaster World that specialize in SEO. Junk gets posted there too, but gets debunked or removed fairly quickly.

However, most of SEO is specialized, applying to unusual situations and concerned with squeezing the last percentage of performance away from a competitor. For most of us the basics are simple and obvious and are all we need: good content containing keywords and keyword phrases that real searchers are apt to use combined with with honest, organic backlinks to help Google confirm the value. That's all.

That's the major secret of SEO for most of us.


Proceed slowly

Please, if you are new to this world, don't jump in with both feet following somebody's "get rich" advice. Most of that sort of thing is very, very bad advice and can harm you.

It's not just you. Your actions can affect others, too. For example, spamming links to content has sometimes caused other sites to ban ALL links to HubPages. One person's ignorance and haste can cause problems for others.

So slow down. Read the links below for more information. Don't be hasty.

Comments

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Pcunix Hub Author 22 months ago

By the way, the monkey looks angry because I haven't fed them yet. I was too busy writing this.

Maybe I should go do that now.

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paradigmsearch 22 months ago

I humbly agree with 100% of this article. Rated it Up here, there, and everywhere.

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Pcunix Hub Author 22 months ago

Just 100%???

I usually aim for at least 120%. I'll have to have a talk with the monkeys.

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rgarnett Level 1 Commenter 22 months ago

To stave off the monkeys, I am saying I agree 150%! Heh. I appreciate this article. I was all worried about this SEO thing I keep seeing around hubs and forums and other such places and none of it really makes sense to me. So good to know that if I write milk, its ok. I just resolved myself to thinking, this is a good place to pass my time at work and I get squeeze out the writing I have in me. No expectations of a payout is usually the best way to go. :P

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Pcunix Hub Author 22 months ago

150% is completely ridiculous!

Writing milk is fine. Especially if you are having fun doing it.

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ericsomething 22 months ago

I keep reminding myself I should probably learn my way around SEO, and I keep putting it off.

It's a real hoot reading articles that are clearly aimed at a search engine audience than a human one. I mean, trying to stuff thos keywords and phrases in there makes for prose that looks like it was written, well, by those monkeys.

Later with that. Myself, I'd rather write well. Even when you stir things up with Google's formulas, over time the cream will still rise while the ordure sinks. At least that's what I tell myself.

Good Hub, voted up.

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Pcunix Hub Author 22 months ago

Drink your milk.

I just noticed that somebody tagged this as "beautiful". Must be the monkey.

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Pcunix Hub Author 22 months ago

By the way, a leading indicator of 'cream' is seeing 'mail.whatever' in the traffic sources. A little of that will come from the HubPages email notifications of new hubs, but if it keeps growing after that, it means people are passing your link in email and site links will likely follow.

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WryLilt Level 2 Commenter 22 months ago

Great hub! Good to know that my "not bothering much" with backlinks isn't such a bad thing. I'd rather just go write another five hubs...

Honestly - I have one hub I consider cream (most in depth complete article on the subject online) and the rest are milk... but hopefully I'll someday figure out where the rest of the cream is. Then I might be the... monkey that got the cream?

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MPG Narratives Level 4 Commenter 22 months ago

SEO is such hard work, I'd rather write any day, thank Pcunix. I agree with this hub wholeheartedly. Hope some of my cream comes up soon.

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Pcunix Hub Author 22 months ago

Realize I am not saying to ignore promotion, just that it isn't as almightily important as you might think from reading all the hype about it.

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ThreeFootHat 22 months ago

I do some keyword research and backlinking, but only in relation to the things I want to write about anyway. It's definitely helping my traffic!

kkalmes 22 months ago

Hello Pc, I think the beautiful and awesome came from the lack of an excellent rating... I'm still promoting that addition.

Thanx for the article, but what does SEO stand for? In my neubie stage of development in this environment I have no idea what you are talking about.

But I always love listening to you...

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Pcunix Hub Author 22 months ago

Search Engine Optimization

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MPG Narratives Level 4 Commenter 22 months ago

I am not ignoring promotion and I do some when I can, I just prefer the writing side. Maybe some day I will earn enough to hire a junior to do all the techyy stuff.

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Belinda Hodge 22 months ago

I've just read about ten of your Hubs and I really enjoyed reading them. I like your values. Scammy SEO tactics are a real turn off to me too. I'd rather get there honestly or not at all. I like your saying too, that creme rises. I shall remember that one. It's a great way to put it.

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Pcunix Hub Author 22 months ago

Most don't care about honesty and it really is a gray area anyway. But Google et al. are trying very hard to figure out when the linking isn't real and when the content is junk.

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dawnM 22 months ago

I like your analogy to milk, I think like you said write a good and interesting hub and the viewers will come!

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Pcunix Hub Author 22 months ago

Not exactly what I said.

A cream hub is an unusual event, at least for me. I have written thousands of posts and have less than two dozen cream hubs.

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Pcunix Hub Author 22 months ago

I think some folks have gotten the wrong impression. Promotion is important - particularly the things I mentioned in the last paragraph. Advanced SEO is of little value to most of us and dishonest SEO can be dangerous.

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Randy Godwin Level 6 Commenter 22 months ago

You may be right! I do no backlinking to speak of except for the instant post to facebook, which doesn't get me many views anyway. Many of my stats show five link stars(whatever that means) and I have quite a few hubs ranked very high on google and other search engines.

I know some who spend enormous amounts of time promoting and backlinking their stuff and do not do as well as I do. It's all in the topic and using SEO wisely too! Write interesting, helpful, searched for hubs! No secret!

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Pcunix Hub Author 22 months ago

T do end up doing a lot of linking. Most has the intent of helping the reader. I do sometimes try to promote a post that I think deserves more love than it got. But no games, no schemes.

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Pcunix Hub Author 22 months ago

Eric G has a hub you should read http://hubpages.com/hub/SEO-Google-and-Backlinks

I think this is a bit farther out than he does, but I agree it will happen.

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Sekharg 20 months ago

Very interesting article.

What about all the SEO Gurus out there selling their services to the internet world promising better ranking in search engines?

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