Gifted and talented and suffering boredom
73As I begin this post, I hesitate. Do I really want to write about this again? Did I not cover it well enough at my Wicked Smaht post? I didn't leave much out there. I described how as a child I was initially thought to be slow or slightly retarded and then suddenly elevated to a then nascent Gifted and Talented class. I talked honestly about how bored and angry I was and how my eventual success had little or nothing to do with raw intelligence.
What brought me back to this was an email from a former classmate reminding me that a memorial for our teacher, Clista Dow, is coming up in August. Her death was a total shock to all of us. A number of us had celebrated the 50th anniversary of our 1959 sixth grade class with her just last September. To hear of her death barely two months later was completely unexpected.
I am so grateful that Roberta Straus and Laura Yellen arranged that reunion. I had thought of Miss Dow (the name I will always associate with her) in the five decades since I was in her class, but had never thought to contact her. I wish that I had.
Clista told us about some of the politics that had surrounded that early class. Many were against separating us from the "normal" kids, and some teachers were jealous, thinking (incorrectly) that teaching gifted children was easier. Of course it is actually much harder, as challenging the very bright demands extreme creativity and constant vigilance.
I was able to speak privately to her also and learned that she had worried that I would end up as an unhappy adult. I was a dark and angry child, so that was not an unreasonable prognosis, but I was able to assure her that, while I did experience some difficulties, I was and am a happy person.
It is not unusual for high intelligence to be less of an asset and more of a liability. The phrase "too smart for their own good" carries more meaning than most who use it realize. The Outsiders paper details the reasons extensively and suggests that while being slightly bright creates success, being very bright makes that goal far more difficult to reach.
That's not generally well known. I can well remember how impressed one company was that I finished their "don't worry, nobody can finish this" IQ test (that's in the comments at the Wicked Smaht link). If he had known the truth about how maladjusted anyone who can breeze through those tests is likely to be, he wouldn't have called me.
The Gifted and Talented programs are not designed for the super bright. There aren't enough of them to fill a classroom, not enough to fill a row of seats in a class. But there is no better place to put them, so that is where they end up. I'm sure the teachers try their best as I know Clista Dow tried her best, but if they have any success, it's just blind luck. The super bright are very hard to teach.
I am a very uneducated person. That's not unusual among my high IQ peers; many of us are autodidacts. We don't learn what doesn't interest us. Because we tend to learn so much effortlessly, many of us never learn to make the effort necessary to master a subject; because our interests are so wide ranging, we have no time for that anyway.
Enough of that. I am a happy person. If I had my life to live over, I would avoid educational systems even more if I could. Why frustrate myself trying to pound a large square peg into a tiny round hole?
My concern is for the dark and angry children who may be daydreaming and suffering in classrooms today. I want to help them, but I am not sure how I can. What can I tell them? I would not presume to give them advice, except perhaps the same advice attributed to Socrates (and others): Know Thyself.
Learn about the super bright. Know the difficulties you will face. That Outsiders link is a great place to start. I never knew all that and not knowing made me feel even more disconnected from society. Knowledge is power, and knowing the dangers you may face could make your path easier.
Know this also: you can be happy. As I explained at that Wicked Smaht link, my happiness came from friends and family and had nothing to do with brain power. You CAN be happy even if you cannot succeed in the ways others may expect you to. Failure in the educational system does not always mean failure in life.
If you are the parent of a highly gifted child and have become aware that this gift can be a Pandora's box of trouble, I want to give you some hope too. Your child can succeed and can be happy and the more you know about their challenges, the more you can help. They don't have to find their own way as I did.
This subject is always hard for me to write about. It opens up old wounds, bringing back memories of deep anger and depression. I dislike hauling up those old feelings - they are foreign to me now and are unwelcome intruders. I do it in hopes of possibly helping someone else suffer less.
Some who read this will be baffled. I understand that. I know from past experience that others will be angered. I understand that also. My only concern is for those I might help. The rest can be baffled, puzzled, angered or confused. My real audience will understand. That's who I am writing for.
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Genius or Clueless, a Fine Line
Gifted Children: Free Online Survival Guide for Parents
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I know I'm gifted and talented, but have been an "underachiever" by today's standards. Totally relate to being the square peg in round hole. I am formally "educated", but I don't ever want to study formally again - I prefer researching my own topics of interest and thinking for myself rather than being told what to think. Husband found school a complete waste of time - hated the experience. Didn't blossom until left school.
Oh man, did everyone expect a lot from me! I aced every single test they threw at me when I was a kid. The teachers didn't know what to do with me; my parents were sure I'd cure cancer by the time I was 16; and me? I was bored out of my flippin' mind. And now I decorate cakes for a living, much to my parents' chagrin. :) I still have twinges of guilt when I think that I should be doing 'something better' with myself. But then I remember that I enjoy what I do and my life is pretty sweet, so what does it matter? Just be happy. :)
School for me was something I HAD to endure and I didn't blossom until I left and studied what I wanted (same as Bailybear).
My son was placed in a gifted and talented class in primary school and absolutely hated it. He didn't want to be seen as different from his peers.
Having a high IQ can be a "pandora's box" as you mention Pcunix, and for my son his friends were more important than learning some obscure facts.
Why am I NOT surprised you were in the "Gifted and talented" program. ;-)
In our school district in California in the 60's it was called the "Extended Learning Programm".
I hear ya! Both my daughters are tagged as gifted and talented.
It started in pre-school when the teachers insisted they be tested. OH boy, they make you think there is something wrong with your child because the teachers can't teach them as they already know that and more. We were blessed to have an amazing kindergarten teacher who had gifted kids as well. He taught me how to let my kids be kids and to supplement their learning at home and let them know home is where you learn what you need and school is where you learn what other kids need. He taught my kids and others on their level. David Walker, I wish all the teachers of the world were able to teach as he does. While some kids learned to read and write he enjoyed teaching my kids to enjoy algebra and indepth science. What a great experience.
They test 100% on all those silly and simple standardized test. So I get the letter every year, your child has be identified as gifted and talented. Then they proceed to tell me what they must do, take and do to meet their needs. Their plan is lame and stinks. Bottom line is my kids and I work hard to supplement their level of stimulation and learning as the schools don't touch it! Thanks for doing this, but forbid you mention that! People don't understand the challenges of being in the upper 5%. They just don't!
I was a total under achiever at school except for the subjects I excelled at and I was given praise by those teachers who understood me, although the kids in my class didn't like to see how easy I breezed through certain subjects. They couldn't understand why I would lay my head on the desk from boredom, those were the times my teachers just tolerated my behavior diamond in a rough attitudes.
I was filled with anger and messed up by my home life, although I walked the paths of higher learning, I could not fit in, I was a troublemaker most of my time spent in day school, it was only until I got expelled from my first year of HS by throwing my desk out the classroom window to land three stories down in the court yard that woke me up.
I completed my HS in the evenings and was the youngest in my class, others were mature students adults trying to finish off their HS. I went on to college for two years and left. My life has been productive and I have had many great experiences in the work force. I have no regrets. My problem was living on the edge all my life and anger still embedded from my youth abuse, that's been the toughest thing to deal with. I quote you below as this paragraph you penned, was wise advice from Socrates.
"My concern is for the dark and angry children who may be daydreaming and suffering in classrooms today. I want to help them, but I am not sure how I can. What can I tell them? I would not presume to give them advice, except perhaps the same advice attributed to Socrates (and others): Know Thyself." MOST DEFINITEL.. peace my high and wise achiever. Great hub I rate it UP UP
Hi Pcunix :) You say a few things of interest to me! I'll be reading more of your hubs, but I want to comment on ericsomething's comments about Frank Zappa, WOW, how true! I never really listened to Zappa, but I found myself completely bored and literally hated going to school! I learned quickly that if I didn't lie to my parents about skipping I'd not be in as much trouble if I lied! Go figure! :) Anyway, yes, I would skip school and go to the public library where I wouldn't be bothered and put on those big 1970's headphones, and listen to European musicians (Marc Bolan for the main one) and read what I wanted to read! Plus, I NEVER had enough "art" time, and I believe art is a major key in creativity! I read everything from Science to medical books. I don't write hubs on them, as I'm not a Doctor or Scientist, although I've been told I could be a doctor! Once setting in a ER waiting results on my ex husbands x-ray, I overheard the people next to us. Their little girl was very sick, and as she explained how she felt and I heard the mother say how she thought the girl felt, the doctor left. I put up my chin and sort of sarcastically "as if I knew it all," said "Sounds to me as if this child has a classic case of spinal meningitis." Much to our amazement when the Doctor returned, he said "She has all the symptoms of Spinal Meningitis, BUT luckily the blood test show..." and luckily it was something easily cured! I got looks of amazement from my ex as well, but I looked at him and said "your finger tip is broken because you're an idiot who don't look out for trees while riding an ATV" LOL! And so it was true! He did! :) I ended up taking some Journalism classes, and didn't get good grades in school, but carried a 4.0 in college. Great hub, love it! And your replies! :)
Pcunix, don't you think it's possible you inherited at least some? I've been looking through my dad's old school report cards, and saw a lot of E's.. well, in the 20's apparently meant "excellent" but the box under "doesn't pay attention-distracted easily" was marked, and I always wondered how he'd only went through the 6th grade and was so smart about everything, only to work at GMC for 30 years. It leads me to believe some of intelligence has been passed down. You seem very upbeat and a happy person in general, do you think traits like that are passed down? Because my siblings are very mean and it's always been that way! My mother told me they got good grades to try to out wit my father.. just wondering your thoughts on that subject? :) Hope the day finds you well!
So true. I like the way my daughter looks at it though...she once said "I'm not the smartest kid in class. I'm just the only one dumb enough to only give right answers." (Or words to that effect.)
















ericsomething Level 1 Commenter 23 months ago
Oh, man, does this strike a chord. I was also "diagnosed" as gifted/talented in my school days. this created problems for me: a) I felt a lot of pressure growing up, and b) I refused to believe all this gifted/talented nonsense. I didn't mess with subjects that didn't interest me, and overamped on the things that did. Of course, I was branded an underachiever, and my parents never could figure me out.
Shoot, I did my best learning away from the classroom. I'd sit through the classes, clown around a bit to keep myself interested, snooze through the lessons, and embark on my own investigations away from class. Everything I learned that is of any value was self-taught.
Now in my 50s I'm still an underachiever. I still do what I want, and my parents still can't figure me out. But I'm a lot happier.
From Frank Zappa, who liked to stir the puddin' a bit: "Drop out of school before your mind rots from exposure to our mediocre educational system. Forget about the Senior Prom and go to the library and educate yourself if you've got any guts. Some of you like Pep rallies and plastic robots who tell you what to read."
While I don't endorse Zappa's entire statement, he sure does make a point.